About this Episode

Teaching Testing and Design

Guests

• Betsy Haibel: CTO at Cohere. Blogs at betsyhaibel.com.
• Avdi Grimm: Head Chef at RubyTapas. Blogs at avdi.codes.
• Penelope Phippen: Works at Google, makes Rubyfmt, helps make RSpec, and is on the board of Ruby Central. Blog.

Summary

After the discussions on testing and design in episodes 68 and 69, I had so much I still wanted to talk about in testing, design, and teaching testing and design. So I convened a panel with previous Tech Done Right Guests Avdi Grimm, Betsy Haibel, and Penelope Phippen to help me think through all these topics. I was very happy to have all of them on the show, and I think it's a great conversation. Stay tuned until the very end for an update about the show.

Related Episodes with These Guests

• Avdi: 20 Years of Web Development, Ruby Tapas and Avoiding Code
• Betsy: Diverse Agile Teams, How Set Design Can Inform Software Architecture
• Penelope: Code Style and Community, Back in the Testing Weeds, In The Testing Weeds

Notes

00:50 - Previously On: Re: Testing

• Pragmatic Programmer at 20 with Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt
• Teaching and Learning with Sandi Metz

02:53 - Testing and Design

• 99 Bottles of OOP
  05:43 - TDD

• Test Driven Development

• Do We Need Constants

09:36 - Testing, But Not Developer Testing + Sliming The Test

• WikiWikiWeb

13:41 - Why + How Did You Learn TDD?

20:24 - TDD: Not a Robust Process

24:19 - Rails + Unit Testing

27:41 - Is TDD really dead?

35:06 - Keeping Code In Your Head

37:32 - Approaching the Testing and Design of Code

38:59 - What would convince you to stop doing TDD?

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